$5,000 Baby Bonus?

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Graph from U. S. Census shows decline in births from 2001-2021. Public domain


The Trump Administration is floating the idea of giving a $5,000 baby bonus to "every American mother after giving birth". This bonus is suggested as a response to a stark reality: despite a slight bump in the U.S. birth rate last year, the country still fails to produce enough babies to meet the 'replacement rate'. The replacement rate is 2.1 births per woman and the U. S. rate for 2024 was 1.6.

At these numbers, without significant immigration, the U.S. will find itself with an aging population and increasingly smaller numbers of young people. Who will work? Who will fund the government? Who will pay for the pensions of the elderly?

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In the past, the U.S. has avoided the fate of other nations that have declining birthrates. Immigrants made up the deficit in births. According to the Migration Policy Institute, "immigration accounted for the entire growth of the total U.S. population between 2022 and 2023—the first time this has happened since census data collection on nativity began in 1850."

A variety of incentives have been suggested to induce women to have more children. The incentive mentioned above--a $5,000 baby bonus--may be one of the most ill conceived. 'American' women (that is, not women from South America, Mexico or Canada--only women from the U.S.) who have any financial resources at all are not likely to be persuaded by $5,000. There are strollers in the U.S. that cost $5,000. The financial bounty is likely to be attractive to women who see their babies as profit centers. Women, for example, who sell their babies Or, women who plan to be supported by the state. In New York, specifically, having more children means receiving more public assistance. While there is a time limit in some states on the number of years a person may collect public assistance, in New York there is no limit. A woman can collect public assistance until the child reaches maturity.

It is true that the $5,000 would come in handy for 'unplanned' births. In that case the money would be less an incentive than a consolation prize.

Looking into the future, and across the planet, experts predict the low birth rate conundrum will be exacerbated by cultural shifts in other parts of the world. These experts predict that increased access to birth control and education for women will extend the low birth rates to countries that currently have high levels of reproduction.

Not everyone thinks a low replacement rate is a bad thing. Stephanie Feldstein, for example, who is the population and sustainability director at the Center for Biological Diversity, suggests that "A future with fewer people offers increased opportunity and a healthier environment." Ms. Feldstein is not alone in advancing this perspective.

At the 2018 World Economic Forum, the naturalist David Attenborough addressed the issue of birth rate. He said that though he finds human babies the most fascinating creatures on earth, "the planet can’t sustain many more" babies. Another source that addresses the growth (or lack of growth) in population rate is Earth.org. An article from that website discusses the conclusions of a U.N. report on sustainability. The report's assessment? "Not having children is in theory the most effective measure an individual in a high-income country can take to reduce their carbon footprint, more than 50 times more effective than eating a plant-based diet, recycling, or not using a dryer."

However, on the other side of this discussion, there is Elon Musk. He has repeatedly warned of the potential for population collapse. As a matter of fact, Musk believes that the danger of population collapse is greater than the danger from global warming--and this man believes that global warming is a dire threat.

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Populations are not declining in every country. The 20 countries with the greatest population growth in the world are all in Africa. It has been noted that as educational opportunities and availability of contraception increases in these countries, they will also experience a decrease in birth rate. This prediction leads me to an article I read from the Heritage Foundation.. The foundation is a self-defined conservative think tank with a goal of "Mobilizing Conservatives—uniting the conservative movement to work together."

Heritage takes the position that economic incentives alone are not going to significantly increase birth rates. The foundation asserts that people today have more money and are better able to support large families than they were at many times in the past. Yet, couples choose to have small families. What the United States needs is cultural reform, according to the foundation. Only that will increase the birth rate.

The article (2024) the foundation published was entitled, Education Policy Reforms Are Key Strategies for Increasing the Married Birth Rate. In a nutshell, it is suggested that the reason women are not having more babies is, they are simply too educated. The authors posit that educational subsidies (for higher education) should be eliminated.

People shouldn't be offered incentives for going to collage (according to Heritage). Those college years are the best child-bearing years. They are thrown away by the time a young person graduates. Forget about graduate school. There is little financial return (according to the authors) on graduate school investment for most people. And those extra years in school delay even more the possibility of having children.

The authors suggest that reforms should be extended to high school. Students should not be encouraged to take courses of study that prepare them for college. They should be placed in tracks of study that lead them to post-high school employment, or to marriage.

The authors further note that people who are devout (religious) tend to have larger families. The government therefore should subsidize religious education, most especially through tax breaks and vouchers. A woman schooled in religion, the authors believe, is a woman who will value child-rearing over career.

Child care subsidies should also be eliminated. These only encourage women to work.

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Going back to Donald Trump's $5,000 bonus idea: neither Heritage nor I believe that bonus would increase the U. S. birth rate. To be sure, the profound cultural shift the foundation suggests might actually work. To that end, I discovered a 2003 article on fertility rates. This piece was published in the National Academies Press. The article broke down the issue into four areas of consideration. The final area is the one I found most interesting and also most relevant to the ideas proposed by the Heritage Foundation. The article addresses what it terms 'biocultural inheritance'.

Fertility is not merely a matter of resource availability and physical fitness. It's not exclusively a reflection of material fitness. There has to be also cultural fitness. That is, "The view of human reproduction as rooted in biocultural inheritance casts new light on current human affairs. It implies that when the fabric of human social life and culture is repatterned or rent, fertility outcomes (in terms of effective fertility) are changed."

The cultural change envisioned by the Heritage Foundation would essentially reconfigure society. The social mobility ladder that education has traditionally provided would be removed. Lower income and lower middle class families would find their horizons profoundly limited. Their children would be directed into lower wage, lower skilled, lower opportunity futures, for it is the lower classes that benefit from loan subsidies and scholarships.

Class divisions would be entrenched as the wealthy gifted to their children the benefits of education.

Women overwhelmingly would be affected. They would be bound to the home, taking care of children. Tossed aside would be the advances in women's financial and physical autonomy of the last fifty years.

Conclusion
There is no conclusion. This is a discussion about a consequential issue. I leave to the reader to consider the future. More children? Less children? Whatever course is chosen, how do we get there?

I know where I stand. I'm not going back. There's no way I want my granddaughter to go back. I don't want to limit educational opportunities to future generations. Surely we can find a way to live in a world that has less people, that uses less resources. Surely we can find a way to share the resources we have more equitably--across the globe.



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Woman, when you post, you do it right.

I will be oversimlifying here, forgive me. I might also be jumping around!

I was just having a discussion about this with one of my daughters.

Heritage, as a conservative think tank, wants to promote conservative values. Some conservative women have more babies because they value their time in the home, with their children, as mothers. Women nuture and men protect, according to conservative thought, by nature. This lifestyle has been made to seem undesirable to liberals who insist that their female offspring go in for higher education and big paying jobs that require they not stay at home with their children. The conservative lifestyle is now more difficult to achieve of this; two incomes are needed to keep a home afloat.

I'd like to see women who want to stay home with their children, homeschooling and raising in religiosity if that's what they want, to be a viable lifestyle in the US. I'd like to see any lifestyle that does not violate natural laws to be viable here. I do know two families with a great many children. I know orthodox jewish families with children numbering in the teens. These famiies have some community support.

About higher education being desirable, I am not so sure. This daughter of mine went to an expensive liberal college that taught her how to plow a field with a team of oxen, how to shear a sheep and make yarn to knit with, and how to build stuff. She is now a carpenter in NYC, with a stable and well-paying job, whereas those of her friends who went To Duke or Yale cannot find a job that pays as well as my daughter's does.

That said, governments giving citizens money is a fast track to those citizens becomeing dependent on government handouts, and having to abide by a narrow set of rules and regulations. It is never a good idea.

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Hello @owasco,

When you comment, you do it right 😇

Great discussion. No good answers. My personal position is that 'handouts' can erode dignity and ambition. However, I believe in safety nets. How to do that without creating a perpetually dependent class? Ah, that's the rub.

I believe in social mobility. Education is one path I know that can take one from a low class status (my economic origins) to a middle or upper class status. Without scholarships, without government grants, would I enjoy the middle class lifestyle I have now? When I was given the opportunity of a free (yes, free!) education, that opened the way for me to lift my family. I owed no money for my education so I was able to help my sister get an education. I was able to help support my mother. Those educational stipends from the government for a few years more than paid for themselves.

I agree that more emphasis should be placed on 'practical' skills. Boy do I wish I had learned carpentry, plumbing, car mechanics. Why the dichotomy? Why must a classic education exclude practical, vocational education? Why must vocational training exclude a classic education?

I think a well-educated mind, in the liberal sense, is essential to a successful representative government. An unschooled people, untrained in critical thinking, is easily led by charlatans. So are we all, but the unschooled more more easily led, I believe. A knowledge of history and basic civics is essential for every citizen in a country where people elect leaders.

I'll stop now... the dog is crying. He has to go out 😄

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I think a well-educated mind, in the liberal sense, is essential to a successful representative government

A democracy is only as good as the information the voters have. If the information is thwarted and directed toward a specific political agenda, there is no democracy. This has been happening in the US for many years now (some think less so with the election of Trump, but I disagree - different topic!) as most public education and most higher education veers toward Democratic Party ideals. It is interesting, to me, that even though both higher ed and MSM lean left, we are still split 50-50 at the polls. I believe this 50-50 split has been managed; elections are split 50-50 all over the world. This suggests that conservatives need less convincing of their ideals than liberals do. They say that is because they are right.

"Unschooled" does not mean uneducated. I haven't seen much thought by the left that seems to be critical thinking of any kind - they swallow absurd things whole. This is not to say that conservatives don't swallow absurd things, just, but to my mind, they've got more common sense.

The unschooled "hillbillies" I live among now are proof of this, at least to me. They know astounding things! They vote, vote both ways, and are not devoted to one party's candidates by any means. I do wish I could say that they can tell a bullshitter from a truth teller, but many of them show a devotion to Trump that has squashed my beliefs there.

Did your family get government assistance prior to your receiving higher education funds? I am assuming you were brought up with the now largely conservative mindset of pulling oneself up by the bootstraps, and aiding others yourself. The Dems are all about victimization now. "Trust us, because we know you've been harmed!" I wonder what the stats are on "conservatives" receiving government handouts vs "liberals."

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Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps defines my family's attitude toward life. But sometimes, you don't have any boots. I believe it's in society's interest to see that children have boots so they can pull off that self-help maneuver. In the long term, investment in a pair of boots will pay off. What won't pay off is the creation of a psychology of dependency. How to work that out and also provide for children who need help...that's the hard part.

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it's in society's interest to see that children have boots

Is government's function to further society's interests? Or is it ours?

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How do you express that interest? Do you think libraries should be funded by government? Roads? Bridges? Airports? Schools? How do we advance the interests of society?

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I think government should be minimal if at all. So no, I don't think bridges, airports roads or schools are in the purview of government, especially schools. When we agree to schools being funded by gov, we expose ourselves to probable tyranny some day - government would then, as it does now, compel the teaching of its interests, not ours. It does this already, by not only mandating instruction in vaccines, but also mandating vaccines themselves. When we allow gov to have any means to control us, such as with roads, airports, schools and bridges, we mostly lose.

A locality that needs a road, can build that road, for instance. A business that needs and airport could build the airport and fund it by commercial flights. Or we might not have all this intra or interstate commerce, which should make our climate doomsayers happy.

To live without government requires a vision of a happy and productive life that is completely different from the one we have now, I admit. Grow your own, trade among your neighbors, live with less for sure.

We now have governments everywhere on earth, and look at the mess. I don't see the mess getting better without a major refashioning of society. More government will only exacerbate the current problems.

Thanks for listening. I'm pretty much thinking out loud here. Gotta go plant some potatoes!

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I happened on this one today. Rose says belief in government solutions is superstition. He's a hoot.

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😇Never heard of him before, but the point of view is not unfamiliar to me.☀️

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I was driving home from Ohio the other day and somewhere along the line between Ohio and Michigan there was a billboard offering $65,000 to be a surrogate mother. I wonder who gets the $5000 in that case!

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$65,000 to rent a womb. Amazing. I vote for the surrogate getting the money. Pregnancy is hard😂

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I don't doubt that for a second!

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That was an interesting read.

If it is true that the world is grossly overpopulated, why is it a bad thing that fertility has reduced to below replacement level?

I agree financial incentives for having babies are unlikely to be effective. A change in culture is what's required so that the woman's role as homemaker is reinstated with the respect it deserves. Of course I wouldn't limit educational opportunities for women, but the role of full time homemaker should be valued and not seen as opting out of the workforce to sit about all day drinking coffee.

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the role of full time homemaker should be valued and not seen as opting out of the workforce to sit about all day drinking coffee.

I can't recall that my mother did much sitting around. 😆 Maybe coffee drinking, though. And when I took off (from paid labor) more than 10 years to raise my kids, I don't recall doing much sitting around either.

There is no more important job in the world than raising the next generation of humans. The problem is, how do we value that work? My mother had no security at all. She was totally dependent on my father. We know how that worked out.

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Exactly, it's a full time job and somehow women have been persuaded they can do two full time jobs. Liberation? I don't think so.
While in general I'm against government using tax payers money to nudge people in a certain direction, perhaps a wage for full time homemakers? After all, as you say, there's no more important work.

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perhaps a wage for full time homemakers?

A wage with a pension. One of the reasons I returned to work when I did was because I had no pension. I was concerned about my old age. I wanted to be vested in Social Security so at least there would be that floor. When I did work, I had the boss put away 20% of my pay (maximum allowed) for a pension sharing plan.

Homemakers have no security. Well, nobody has security, but at least a wage earner harbors the illusion😄.

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In your narrative, in one paragraph, I quote, "No incentives should be offered to go to college (according to Heritage). Those college years are the best years to have children. They are wasted when a young person graduates." Despite not belonging to this country, I am going to allow myself to make this comment. I do not agree with the conservative thinking of this gentleman, young people have the right to study and enter universities to have a good education and critical thinking. To give more strength to this comment I quote a thought of Simon Bolivar. “Nations march towards the end of their greatness with the same step with which their education walks”.

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I love that quote from Simon Bolivar! Education was the path for me out of poverty when I was very young. Only tyrants want to keep people ignorant so that these people will be more easily led.

Critical thinking is the enemy of the tyrant.

Thank you very much for reading my long blog. Times are complicated at my home right now so it was hard to get this out. In a way though it was good to focus on something that required a lot of thought.

Your perspective is much appreciated. I don't see the world as a place with borders between peoples. I see the people.

I hope you are well. God bless you and your family.

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This is for sure a sticky topic. I would opt to ignore the eugenicists in their opinions because that’s a loaf of shit. We could put every person on the planet inside the state of texas with a 2,000 square foot house. It would be horrendous but the planet can sustain a significant amount of people that live in manners that resemble Europe or America, meaning they respect the environment and actively keep it clean. That’s a generalization but many countries could care less, like India or China.

With that out of the way, I’m glad I read it all because I initially thought it’s a good idea but at the end I was luke warm on it. What I think would work far more effectively is to make it fucking affordable to own a home. If we could own homes and support it on one income, lots of women would opt to stay home and raise the kids. Not all, but many. Instead we get debt up to the eyeballs with minimal to show for it as well as ridiculously expensive homes. It’s a loaf of shit.

It’s a start to have them talk about this as an issue, where in years past they moan on about the overpopulation lie, so I do like the change of pace.

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What I think would work far more effectively is to make it fucking affordable to own a home

Or to live! There is the matter of security for the non-working spouse. There are other issues, but that one tops the list for many women. When I had my kids I stopped working for 10 years, and then only went back part time for another four. The thing that was on my mind wasn't so much earning more money, but providing for my security. I had no pension. I was dependent on my husband for my support. That's a hard situation to be in. So a great motivation for me was to get economic security.

When my kids were born, my husband and were working at the same job. I was actually earning a little more than he was. We were old fashioned and decided I should stay home. But it could have been him. In either case, there has to be a way to provide for the non-working spouse if we expect someone to give up work completely and care for the kids.

As for population and sustainability--I think we are arrogant. All we need is a couple of good wars (almost guaranteed) and a serious pandemic. Natural selection will take care of the rest. What do I know?😄

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Yeah my wife stayed home to take care of the little man as well. It is challenging in a lot of ways but she is a good hustler so she figured out other ways to make money online, which certainly didn't exist in days past.

The population crisis is already on its way, meaning we are well below replacement levels in many of the developed countries, at least according to the statisticians. Are they wrong? Who knows.

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