NC conservatives win suit to remove non-citizens from voter rolls

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I find it completely crazy that this was something that the conservatives had to even file a suit for. Unless you stand on the crazy side of things, I don't think this should be a partisan issue at all and don't understand why anyone would contest this or even attempt to fight for the other side of things. If you aren't a member of something, whether that be a club, a board of directors, a prison shotput team, or a nation or state, you shouldn't be allowed to vote there.


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Is this something that can honestly be contested?

I'll be a bit more specific as it applies to North Carolina: The argument was that if someone is summoned for jury duty, and that person states that they are not a US citizen on this summons, then their presence on the voter roll needs to be purged once it is determined they in fact are not a US citizen.

The agreement sets a schedule through 2028 for clerks to send the information to the elections board. Within 30 days of receiving it, the board must review voter-registration and citizenship status, send county elections boards reports on any registered voters identified, and refer cases to the State Bureau of Investigation and district attorneys if a person appears to have voted before becoming a U.S. citizen.

Now while I am sure there are some ulterior motives to this, because there always is in politics, that seems about a cut and dry as it comes to me and I don't know how anyone would have any grounds to oppose this. The district judge certainly didn't because this was settled in an online session in less than 20 minutes.

I don't want to spend too much time on it but the only reason why this had to be brought in front of judge was become North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper vetoed a bill in 2019 that would have required illegal immigrants from being removed from voter rolls. I'm not going to look any more into that but this must have been a pressured call on his part, perhaps connected to actors outside of the state. I say this because while North Carolina does have a Democrat governor every now and then, the state is mostly conservative.

On this specific issue most North Carolina citizens support removing illegal aliens from the ability to vote, including a majority of registered Democrats.

I think if you don't want to be involved in jury duty because you are a non-citizen (which is something you are not ALLOWED to do if you are a non-citizen) then you definitely shouldn't be allowed to vote as well. Cake and eating it too?

But let's not get ahead of ourselves ok, because even though I am a conservative I know how dirty politics can be. I think the real reason why this is being brought up is because governor Roy Cooper is running for North Carolina Senate in 2026 and the RNC is looking to stir up as much dirt on the guy as possible.

For the most part, I feel like the guy was a pretty good governor, even during Covid when he felt the pressure to enforce stay-at-home laws but when conservative counties decided to not comply he didn't make efforts to force them to do so via force.

I don't really think this is about the actual purging of the voter rolls but if it was, I find it extremely silly that anyone would seriously oppose this.

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I don't think there is a lot of illegal immigrants voting (though I could be wrong). The bigger issue has been that illegal immigrants count for the purposes of Census and therefore contribute to states with a lot of illegal immigrants getting more representatives in Congress. The other major issue of contention has been voter id. Democrats feel (or say they do) that forcing people to show an id to vote somehow disenfranchises voters because getting a state id is too much of a burden. Republican assertions of voter fraud might be overblown but then there doesn't have to be a lot of it when there have been the kinds of razor thin margins we have seen in some places in recent elections. A lot of the actual laws that get passed regarding these issues are more to appeal to respective voter bases than to actually accomplish anything.

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The bigger issue has been that illegal immigrants count for the purposes of Census and therefore contribute to states with a lot of illegal immigrants getting more representatives in Congress.

Well, the U.S. Constitution requires that the Census determines the number of people, not the number of citizens. Trump tried to change that during his first term and SCOTUS smacked him down.

Been there, done that.

… the question whether noncitizens should be excluded from the apportionment base was discussed at length during the debates over the Fourteenth Amendment. During those debates, many members of Congress urged that only citizens or voters should be counted in determining congressional representation, insisting that foreigners who had arrived in America should not count for purposes of apportioning representatives to Congress. Following more than seven months of heated debate in Congress, the Fourteenth Amendment reaffirmed the federal government’s duty to count the nation’s whole population, including the entire immigration population, in apportioning representatives to Congress.
A count of the total population, Sen. Jacob Howard explained, is “the safest and most secure principle upon which the Government can rest. Numbers, not voters; numbers, not property; this is the theory of the Constitution.” The authors of the Fourteenth Amendment refused to “strike from the basis of representation the entire immigrant population not naturalized,” insisting that “[u]nder the Constitution as it now is and as it always has been, the entire immigrant population of this country is included in the basis of representation.”

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I'm not saying the census shouldn't determine the number of people. Just that it should distinguish between citizen and non citizen (especially when you are potentially counting millions that are not here legally) . The right to vote is one of the primary features of citizenship and without it you don't have representation anyway. Instead, the citizens that live in areas of large non citizen populations have an oversized representation. Why does that make sense?

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Because the Constitution says that both citizens and non-citizens are to be included in the Census count for the purpose of allocating representation in Congress. The Constitution doesn’t care about what people think it should be. If you want the should to change to must, you’ll need to amend the Constitution. Easier said than done.

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Im not disagreeing with you. Just saying that non citizens dont actually get representation just because their state gets more representatives because of them. I would think that fact would be obvious given they cant vote. It just creates a situation where border security and immigration policy are used as political tools by both sides. Just because something is in the Constitution doesnt mean it isnt a problem. Illegal immigrants arent represented, they are used as pawns.

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I don't think many illegals are voting either but to me the fact that any of this is even argued about is just politicians disagreeing on anything and everything. Such a waste of time and money.

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I do think it has to do with voter roles and this could set a precedent for other states to fix their voter registry. We know how the Democrats have played the system over the last Presidency using the illegal migrants to benefit by any means possible. Politics is very dirty these days and illegals are being used.

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politics has become so nasty that it seems that nobody is actually interested in what is right, they just want their side to win no matter what. I have my own opinions about who drew first blood in this, but I don't think elections are fair ever anymore.

I recall when I was in college that a very weak candidate ran against Bill Clinton. his name was Bob Dole, he lost the election badly. There was no bitching, no accusations of cheating, no recounts, no shady boxes of late votes coming in during the middle of the night. It was just a concession. Dole said "good campaign, you win" and conceded. Then he just kind of went away and didn't do a press tour or try to meddle in the affairs of Clinton from that day forward. These days we see the losers just stick around and bitch for years and years after they have lost. It's all so tiring.

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