RE: Freedom of Speech
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Based on everything I am hearing, all of the horrible stuff that people think he said were all taken out of context. I have yet to see anyone give context, they just bang the drum saying it was taken out of context.
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Yes I am unable to get to any of the primary sources for what he said, and so I remain skeptical.
Here is the quote about the black women, from his own mouth:https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1679829904026730496
I gave you the other sources in my response to your comment.
Hi @bozz. I can't answer for what anyone else says about him, but the statements I quoted here can be found in his Rumble broadcast. You can hear him affirm the views about MLK and the Civil Rights Act here, at 1bout 106 minutes. https://rumble.com/v46i1it-thoughtcrime-ep.-28-tunnel-trouble-j-e-d-i-rodgers-vs-kimmel.html
Here is the quote about the black women, from his own mouth:https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1679829904026730496
They will still say we are taking it out of context because that is what they have been taught to believe.
But that is the context. That's him, talking, for one hour. No problem with context there. All we can do is have the courage to speak the truth as we know it.
Hey the rumble video doesn't tell us why Kirk said anything about MLK, but is rather a rebuttal of the Wired source and that guy's motivations. Kirk then goes on to ridicule what lefties think about him, and how those sources twist their stories to fit the leftie misinformed notions about conservatives. I don't think I said that quite clearly enough, but this link does not convince me that Kirk's comments about MLK are in any way misguided or hateful.
It's up to us to decide if he was misguided. That's an individual choice we make (thank heavens). I just provided the quote. Not quoted out of context, or misquoted. That's all :)
I disagree strongly with Kirk. That doesn't have any bearing on how you or anyone else feels about his words.
Yeah it was. He didn't discuss his comment, he discussed the entity that quoted him.
Without access to the primary source, I can't honestly decide if I find him misguided. I wonder what he really meant! He keeps saying to go listen to the podcast, but I can't find it.
I don't know, @owasco, Kirk says,quoting Wired
Then Kirk says, as an aside,
Then, also his (Kirk's) view
Kirk as an aside, again,
That's the case for me. All that verbiage around these statements, the joking. That just softens the impact of the words.
What that author was doing was responsible journalism. He had published a piece that covered a meeting Kirk had in which he made these statement. The author was verifying that Kirk had indeed made the statements. Here is the article:
https://archive.li/xIqmw
The author was just checking his sources. He knows there are people such as you and I who believe nothing we hear. So, he checked with Charlie Kirk. That's the context. Kirk was verifying that the contents of that article were true. That's all. Whether you agree with Kirk or not, that's what he said.
From that article (which might be the very one Kirk ridicules in the Rumble video):
I want to hear him defend it. Maybe he can convince me, or render me more open to his thoughts.
The second one about the black women is only a snippet, produced by an entity devoted to shaping our understandings of its political enemies.
I wonder what Kirk said before, and what he said after that snippet. It has left me with a lot of questions. He ridicules Lee for knowing she would not be there without affirmative action. Kirk does not say all black women are not smart enough to be a congressperson (lots of them are very stupid, male, female, black, white), a talk show host (I agree about Reid), a president's wife (I'm sure there have been plenty of idiots in those shoes), or a SCOTUS justice (that she wouldn't define what woman means was candy to conservatives - are they wrong?). I wonder if there are any black women he would find deserving. I would love to watch the entire episode before I pass judgment. Thank you for both sources though.
I hope you don't think I am devoted to debunking you. I'm loving the discussion. I still want to see the primary source for the MLK comments, and for this episode. Those are very hard to find apparently. Which gives me the heebie jeebies.
I have no skin in the game. You are not debunking me, because I'm stating what I found and then giving my opinion on it. That's all. It's great that we have a discussion. It's great that you care to find the truth. Lord knows, that's getting to be a rare search.
What I'm doing here is punching a little pinhole in the hagiography growing up around this public figure. He had strong opinions. He had an agenda. It is not my agenda, but he and his followers are certainly entitled to believe and support what they do. My effort here is to say my contrary voice is allowed. I assert my right to disagree and to do a fact check on the mythos that is growing up around this public figure.
I know you certainly insist on that right for all of us.
100% agree.