RE: Freedom of Speech
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This is the best thing I have read about the murder. Thank you for your perspective.
I was told that Kirk said black women were unintelligent. Here, if I am reading this right, he simply said that those four were over-elevated in regards to their intelligence, which may or may not be true, not that all black women are unintelligent. It is interesting to me how things get so skewed in the telling.
I had never heard of Kirk until he was dead, or at least he did not make a big impact on me. I agree that free speech is very important! We've seen speech be thwarted more and more, the topics thwarted change with administrations. All speech must be free, no lines drawn. Maybe we should even allow people to yell "fire!" in theaters. As soon as we start drawing lines, the lines shift according to who, or what, is in power.
As for the supposed MLK statement, I can see how a conservative would think that MLK had some negative effects. MLK certainly has been presented as a near god-like figure, and must have had a human side. Perhaps some of what came from his work is not all that good. Conservatives believe receiving special treatment is debilitating, as I understand their stance on the matter. I can't find, through your link or other browser searches, what he actually said - without access to primary sources, I remain skeptical. Apparently Kirk made a full podcast to explain his reasoning which I can't get to, in some cases it seems to have been scrubbed. I'm not all that swift with finding stuff online!
Your personal story is great. I'm very proud of you! I wonder, though, if the company would have made the change even if you had not used violation of the civil rights act as grounds for the change, but more simply because they could see that you were the right person for the job and you objected. A conservative would like that story better, that laws do not need to be passed to force people to do the right thing. Sometimes laws give rise to their opposites, possibly most times. Maybe that was Kirk's objection to the act.
Hi @owasco,
I don't believe anything anyone says. I told my history classes (when I was a teacher), don't believe me. Even if I think what I'm saying is true, I could be mistaken. So...questioning is good.
While I waited for my husband's physical therapy session to end, I looked up the original source. If we don't trust the Wired account, we can trust Kirk speaking for himself. Here he is [https://rumble.com/v46i1it-thoughtcrime-ep.-28-tunnel-trouble-j-e-d-i-rodgers-vs-kimmel.html]on a Rumble broadcast, affirming the Wired report. Fast forward to about 106 minutes in the broadcast to catch him affirming the statements about MLK and the Civil Rights Act.
I agree about message creep in regard to the black women statement. There is no need to exaggerate. That statement is pretty strong on its own.
As for taking a less assertive approach in getting my job: I needed that job and didn't dare speak up without the force of law behind me. However, once I got the job, the discrimination didn't stop. They simply weren't ready for women yet. There were classes that prepared employees for the more advanced functions. They refused to send me or any of the other women to that class. I threatened them again, and was sent, with one other woman. When we sat down, the attendance book was passed around. We were not allowed to sign!!! Once again, I made an issue. Actually, I hated that part of the job (the advanced functions), but it really galled me that they were so obstinate about protect the male prerogative.
I'm not an argumentative person. I hate arguing, and I won't debate anyone. It's just, when something is wrong, it's wrong and my adrenaline flows :)))
Exactly. He also never said civil rights were a mistake, just passing it into law was a mistake because he thinks it's being abused today.
Well, I do think I just heard him say that in the Rumble video. He admits both that he said MLK was a bad guy, and that he said the act was a mistake. He just doesn't get into why he thought those things. I want to hear his argument in support of his statements.
I like that he openly admits his views have changed. He even admits that he used to think MLK as "holy" as the rest of us have come to believe. M:Ks holiness is what is suspect to Kirk, not everything he stood for. There really could have been aspects to MLK that were awful. Was his comment directed to only those things, those human flaws MLK must have had, that we are not told? I find this whole thing very interesting. Why do we think what we think? Many of us think we figure stuff out via critical thinking, when what really has happened is that we believe what we have been told.
I'll try to find a video of him explaining his position on the Act. As far as MLK goes, I've heard the same thing many times over the years, specifically that he was abusive to women. I've also heard the same thing about Gandhi.
I would love any full videos. Thanks!
The talk about the Civil Rights Act begins at 10:41
Interesting that this interviewee says the conditions of people of color have degraded since the civil rights act, and perhaps because of it. The segment is too pro-Trump for my taste. Again, this is not Kirk's explanation of why he thinks the act was detrimental in some respects.
Here's another one in his own words.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nHyLN47iPto
Thank you! That clears up a lot. He clearly states it isn't the civil rights act that was inherently bad, but that the way the act is being used is. As with any law, there will be those who will try to push it beyond its intended limits.
Yes. I feel as though we have many laws that are beyond their expiration date.
I do disagree with him. Isn't it a wonderful country that we can do that 🌷