Not My Meme! #1109

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"If you think this type of content should be eligible for author rewards, make your voice heard in this discord"

Well antisocialist, not sure I want to join a new discord. And frankly that has nothing to do with you.

Do I personally think this content is eligible for rewards? Not really. Does this meet my standard? No.

If you care about these posts, and you put in the effort to where you think they are worth rewards, then that is your decision. You are free here just like everyone else.

The only thing I can think may be an issue is the political stuff might get downvoted if someone doesn't like it or disagrees with your political perspective.

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It's likely that you are already in the discord, that is the 'official' one.

I should probably update the template on these, it is getting pretty long in the tooth, but since it is a burn post, I probably won't.

There was a time, when folks thought that mass adoption was here, that curating memes from the web to keep folks up to date on the trends would have had value, but with an audience potential in the hundreds, and in reality less than 30, rewards should be burned, imo.

Downvoting ideas one disagrees with was never broadly acceptable, folks did it, but the crowd did, and should, imo, frown upon it.
They mostly don't put their own rewards on the line, but they do talk against it in the private places.

Not voting something you disagree with is the proper conduct.
Downvoting it is taxing it and necessarily inflammatory.
Of course, plagiarism and copy pasta needs to be flagged.

Most of the folks that downvoted over ideas have left.
Now it is mostly old farmers/spammers, that did something that got them blacklisted, making big noise.
Those that take the time to research the depth of the case quickly find this history, in most cases.
There are cases where good people were chased off, but they are few.

The worst one of the bunch, that I still don't name, was gotten rid of at the fork to hive.
Until that time I really had to bite my tongue, but once he was gone, I knew it was game on.
And, since that time, I have been free to say pretty much whatever crossed my mind without getting crushed by a whale.
That wasn't the case before the fork.
In fact, this conversation couldn't have happened until that fella was gone.
We would have been gay pron/toilet pics/flagged to oblivion.

And folks wonder why we have the rep as an ungrateful, toxic mob.
100k's saw in the beginning what was being 'tolerated' and rightfully said f' that.

So, now here we are continuing to make the best of things as best we can.

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I don't think we are a mob. Every stakeholder is different in personality and stake weight; and these things are always changing.

I read your post, I do not want to join a discord server right now but I did want to let you know my opinion on HIVE about if it should have rewards because I thought that is what you were asking.

Good luck with your posts and if you think they should be burned that is your prerogative and I support it.

Cheers man!

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they are few.

Then society itself is comprised of worthless people, because 99.99% of those onboarded were flagged off.

Taxation is theft. It does have application against plagiarism, but you note it doesn't affect spammers and scammers, because they aren't after author rewards anyway. However, to be popular, to conquer the social media space, as Hive should have the ability to do, Hive needs to accommodate 99.99% of society, and instead it does the reverse.

When people do stupid shit flag them. If they're not doing stupid shit don't flag them. That's fair enough and won't drive people from the platform to rage at everyone they will listen, as ~1M ex-blockchain bloggers have, and some still are.

The real reason for flagging people off the platform is political power to rule Hive. Wider distribution of the token dissolves the stake of the whales that to this day maintain >50% and <51% of the stake voting for witnesses. Also, a growing platform attracts investors, and there are investors that could spend the entire market cap of Hive on lunch and never notice it. They would eat our little whales alive and rule Hive like Sun does Steem.

Plutocracy causes centralization of stake. Worse, centralization of stake causes plutocracy. There needs to be some veto power over stake or the DHF will continue to bleed into phat wallets and Hive will eventually wither and die because it will never grow, and the whales will move on or die, leaving a withered husk of Hive in their wake.

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It sure makes one wonder what is the plan, exactly.
Things are hinging more and more on smart contracts and their eventual delivery.

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I keep saying this: Social media became the largest sector of global financial markets in ~10 years. It's more money than manufacturing, transport, mining, or finance. I don't think people I talk to about Hive actually grasp this fact. For Hive to shed ~1M users that took the time and learned how to post during the decade when social media became the dominant financial sector of world market, when our competition was Fakebook, Youtool, Goolag, and Twatter, that openly censored their users, deleted their true and factual content, banned them, and availed monetization to very few and with very little of the value they created, we are REALLY doing it wrong.

DV's don't just tax, they censor. Hive is actually less censorship resistant than all those platforms I just named because many of the influencers that came here after April 2017 have returned to them after being horrifically taxed here.

Hive could replace them all were it to fulfill it's promises to resist censorship and provide the free market for content it originally claimed, and that potential just doesn't exist for smart contracts, an app, or some game. Dominating the global social media market would make every minnow fabulously wealthy beyond their wildest, wettest dreams. But that requires the whales to be imprudent, to risk losing their steady income from completely controlling Hive governance. A bird in the hand, and all that.

I don't really know how to change governance of Hive so that there is a social veto power over stake, and as long as Hive remains a plutocracy the threat of a new Sun shining all over Hive as Yuchen does Steem remains existential. Such total centralization is inevitable in a plutocracy, and the means the whales have undertaken to stave it off have maintained their income so far. Basically preventing dilution of their majority stake by preventing distribution to a growing user base, and creating the appearance of a bad investment to potential sharks that could snap it up, have so far worked. They will not work forever, because sooner or later someone with the wherewithal will snap it up, and that will be that.

1a1v, oracles, and majority rules as TheHair advocated may be the best that can be done, but I'd like to think that oppressing the minority isn't the best we can do. IONO, but I'm not the smartest guy in the room, I sincerely hope. I had hoped that communities would have more power to structure rewards, set rules regarding flags, and etc., instead of just being interest groups, but it is what it is.

This last fork really made me feel that it's becoming hopeless, that the status quo is simply dragging things out as long as possible, as profitably as possible, and not even paying lip service to the community anymore. The threat of KYC internet makes the issue moot anyway, unless I can figure out how to reach Hive using Reticulum, and I'm lucky I can tie my shoes. If my ISP or downstream sites require ID I will not comply, and that will be the end of my use of the internet.

All I can do is point out what I think is happening and hope you or someone else smarter than me can propose some ways to resolve the plutocracy issue that can grant the whales some leeway to risk their steady income for a chance at mooning without guaranteeing that Hive will end up George Soros' private possession.

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Much like in the real world, those with power will need to voluntarily surrender it.
Luckily, I don't think our whales have had to kill anybody to get their power like their counterparts did irl, so maybe it could happen.

In the real world, not so much.
The only way to get people out that killed to get into power is to kill them, they've already demonstrated their limit is their life.
If your limit isn't taking their's, then they win, again.
And, they get to laugh at you like the 'lil bitch that you are.
Then they will rape your kids and grind their bodies into hamburger so they can sell it to the dupes as the 'heart healthy' alternative.

So, in the grand scheme of things, we got bigger problems than what some devs scheme up.
Could they have solved governance problems with this model?
Clearly not.
Could a different crowd do it?
Probably.

Will they?
Not without a proper leader to take point.

Ned could have walked among us as a god, but he wasn't mature enough to recognize that fact and was so spoiled by an easy life that he thought bringing a guitar to business meeting with his friend that looked like warmed over death would fly because he obviously could do no wrong.

You were here for that, weren't you?

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I'd rather have leaders of communities with decentralized control by those communities of rewards. I recall having intense discussions about that prior to Ned's Hair taking the money and going home. Ned was under immense pressure from the whales, and sold rather than using his potential power to defeat them. Dan didn't do us any favors by leaving either. My take is that they just wanted money, so when the going got tough and principles were at issue, they took money and threw the community - and humanity - to the wolves.

Proper leadership could have restrained whale votes, prevented bidbots, and adapted the platform as each problem revealed weaknesses in the platform and the code. The Founder's stake was nominal to enable them to make what they wanted to happen come to pass, but we have not had proper leadership. The claim is we are decentralized, but that isn't true either. We are milked by profiteers, not led by leaders.

I don't believe in 'a leader'. They're all profiteers. I'm just happy Soros or Gates hasn't a hankering to wreck Hive, yet. I can't even imagine what the reaction of Valueplan to US boots on the ground in Venezuela will be, but I am sure there will be panic (unless they're spooks, in which case there won't be a problem, and maybe BT will be up for a Nobel Peace prize next year?)

I am a bit cynical.

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Dan started saying some crazy things after he left, got lost in his religion, or something.
Eos was the cash grab.

but we have not had proper leadership

This is clearly the case.
Otherwise, we wouldn't have alienated all those 'influencers', intentionally.

At this point, I am cynical, too.
10 years of doldrums will do that to a project.

Maybe tomorrow is the day,...

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Old stuff is good to know, because it's the foundation of good new stuff.

Thanks!

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