RE: NC conservatives win suit to remove non-citizens from voter rolls

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I don't think there is a lot of illegal immigrants voting (though I could be wrong). The bigger issue has been that illegal immigrants count for the purposes of Census and therefore contribute to states with a lot of illegal immigrants getting more representatives in Congress. The other major issue of contention has been voter id. Democrats feel (or say they do) that forcing people to show an id to vote somehow disenfranchises voters because getting a state id is too much of a burden. Republican assertions of voter fraud might be overblown but then there doesn't have to be a lot of it when there have been the kinds of razor thin margins we have seen in some places in recent elections. A lot of the actual laws that get passed regarding these issues are more to appeal to respective voter bases than to actually accomplish anything.

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The bigger issue has been that illegal immigrants count for the purposes of Census and therefore contribute to states with a lot of illegal immigrants getting more representatives in Congress.

Well, the U.S. Constitution requires that the Census determines the number of people, not the number of citizens. Trump tried to change that during his first term and SCOTUS smacked him down.

Been there, done that.

… the question whether noncitizens should be excluded from the apportionment base was discussed at length during the debates over the Fourteenth Amendment. During those debates, many members of Congress urged that only citizens or voters should be counted in determining congressional representation, insisting that foreigners who had arrived in America should not count for purposes of apportioning representatives to Congress. Following more than seven months of heated debate in Congress, the Fourteenth Amendment reaffirmed the federal government’s duty to count the nation’s whole population, including the entire immigration population, in apportioning representatives to Congress.
A count of the total population, Sen. Jacob Howard explained, is “the safest and most secure principle upon which the Government can rest. Numbers, not voters; numbers, not property; this is the theory of the Constitution.” The authors of the Fourteenth Amendment refused to “strike from the basis of representation the entire immigrant population not naturalized,” insisting that “[u]nder the Constitution as it now is and as it always has been, the entire immigrant population of this country is included in the basis of representation.”

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I'm not saying the census shouldn't determine the number of people. Just that it should distinguish between citizen and non citizen (especially when you are potentially counting millions that are not here legally) . The right to vote is one of the primary features of citizenship and without it you don't have representation anyway. Instead, the citizens that live in areas of large non citizen populations have an oversized representation. Why does that make sense?

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Because the Constitution says that both citizens and non-citizens are to be included in the Census count for the purpose of allocating representation in Congress. The Constitution doesn’t care about what people think it should be. If you want the should to change to must, you’ll need to amend the Constitution. Easier said than done.

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Im not disagreeing with you. Just saying that non citizens dont actually get representation just because their state gets more representatives because of them. I would think that fact would be obvious given they cant vote. It just creates a situation where border security and immigration policy are used as political tools by both sides. Just because something is in the Constitution doesnt mean it isnt a problem. Illegal immigrants arent represented, they are used as pawns.

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I don't think many illegals are voting either but to me the fact that any of this is even argued about is just politicians disagreeing on anything and everything. Such a waste of time and money.

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